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Slavic?[edit]

There are a lot of mentions of Slavic influence peppered on the page, but I don't see (in-text) citations for the Slavic influence anywhere (besides one article on the influence of Polish on Esperanto's phonology and certain calques). Where is the source on Slavic influence? Toomuchcuriosity (talk) 05:36, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Since there has been no response, I will remove references to Slavic influence (as opposed to the influence of other European languages). You are welcome to undo these edits if you cite a proper source. _{too_much}curiosity (talk) 18:21, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is definitely Slavic influence in Esperanto, some words are vaguely Slavic or Slavic-inspired, the consonant system is a compromise between various Central and Western European languages (including Slavic languages), and the whole language certainly feels like Latin with a Slavic flavor (spoken Esperanto is often associated with spoken Romanian or Portuguese, which is itself often associated with spoken Russian). I agree that we need more sources to back it up, but it definitely needs to be included ASAP. I'll try to find some more reliable sources. TucanHolmes (talk) 10:15, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wonderful! Thank you for your help :) _{too_much}curiosity (talk) 17:53, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The word ĉu, for example, is said to be Polish czy. (I wouldn't know.) —Tamfang (talk) 19:13, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

An anonymous user reverted a series of my edits. Please contribute to the talk page before adding references to Slavic reputable sources and claims. _{too_much}curiosity (talk) 23:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Don't get me wrong, it was Kwamikagami who did it, not me. I was only trying to backtrack on his changes. 152.165.60.191 (talk) 01:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh sorry about that! Thank you for clarifying. It was hard to track the changes given the reverts and undos. _{too_much}curiosity (talk) 06:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

situation wanted[edit]

Esperanto has been placed in many proposed political situations.

Mi ne certas ke tio signifas ion klare ajn. —Tamfang (talk) 00:55, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ge-nouns[edit]

Someone of no account replaced my example gepatroj with geviroj … but does anyone use that word, rather than homoj? —Tamfang (talk) 07:45, 13 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

« A country that uses it officially », really?[edit]

@Peasandbrocks: @Justinkunimune: What is that supposed "Republic of Palma" anyway? If it exists, Wikipedia doesn't know about it. AFAIK, and eo:Esperanto confirms it,^{[off 1]} the only "country" ever to have recognised Esperanto as an official language is the defunct micro-state Neutral Moresnet, a contested territory of 360 hectares (900 acres) which existed from 1816 to 1920 between Prussia OT1H, and the United Netherlands then Belgium OTOH.

I'll let you judge whether or not a 360 ha disputed territory with no diplomatic representation and defunct since about as long as it existed deserves being listed as a country where the language is official. If it doesn't, better omit that "nation" parameter.

Once upon a time (9 December 1920), Esperanto was proposed as an official language of the League of Nations by eleven delegates but France vetoed it in the name of « the already existing universality of the French language ».

^ «Kvankam neniu ŝtato akceptis Esperanton kiel oficialan lingvon, Esperanto tamen eniris en la oficialan instruadon en pluraj landoj kiel Hungario kaj Ĉinio, krom esti unu el la oficialaj lingvoj de formortinta eŭropa mikroŝtato, Moresneto.»

— Tonymec (talk) 23:51, 16 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

[1] «Kvankam neniu ŝtato akceptis Esperanton kiel oficialan lingvon, Esperanto tamen eniris en la oficialan instruadon en pluraj landoj kiel Hungario kaj Ĉinio, krom esti unu el la oficialaj lingvoj de formortinta eŭropa mikroŝtato, Moresneto.»

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